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ZizzyB23 |
Thoughts on PRACTICALLY PERFECT
Oct 8 2010, 1:26 AM EDT
Another preemptive thread here. I'm hoping by starting this a little early that perhaps we can get all discourse of the episode on one thread. Hopefully we'll all get a more cogent discussion going than last week, which was all split up accross multiple threads.Looks like a good episode to me though. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Machinemanx51 |
1. RE: Thoughts on PRACTICALLY PERFECT
Oct 8 2010, 3:57 AM EDT
Julie Stiles sees Dexter kill.
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condev |
2. RE: Thoughts on PRACTICALLY PERFECT
Oct 8 2010, 7:19 AM EDT
"Another preemptive thread here. I'm hoping by starting this a little early that perhaps we can get all discourse of the episode on one thread. Hopefully we'll all get a more cogent discussion going than last week, which was all split up accross multiple threads.Zizzy, I agree, it seems as though things are moving along with Dexter hiring Maria Doyle Kennedy as the new nanny, and the introduction of Julia Stiles. Do you find this valuable? |
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BloodSpray |
3. RE: Thoughts on PRACTICALLY PERFECT
Oct 10 2010, 8:43 AM EDT
Well, Peter Weller signed on for 8 episodes, I believe, so it'll be around episode 5 when we see him. Julia Stiles, I think, will be introduced in Episode 4 ("Beauty & the Beast"), but Maria Doyle Kennedy should be introduced tonight.Also, I believe tonight will see the end of Boyd Fowler, or at the very least the beginning of his downfall. We have two other bad guys for Dexter to slash up (three, if Peter Weller is one), plus the Santa Muerte murders, Quinn, and any other unknown variables they've cooked up. I doubt they'd overload a season, though, which means Boyd's gotta go soon. In other topics, I can see the writers tying the Santa Muerte killings to the Angel / LaGuerta storyline. For some reason, that one's been nagging at me since last Sunday. Also, I don't think we're done with Rita's shadow yet... I wouldn't be surprised if the shadow lightens, but it'll be here all season, I think. You don't shuffle 1 (possibly 3) people out and not have it leave some lingering impact. Do you find this valuable? |
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4. RE: Thoughts on PRACTICALLY PERFECT
Oct 10 2010, 10:39 AM EDT
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"Well, Peter Weller signed on for 8 episodes, I believe, so it'll be around episode 5 when we see him. Julia Stiles, I think, will be introduced in Episode 4 ("Beauty & the Beast"), but Maria Doyle Kennedy should be introduced tonight.I think Peter Weller is a good addition to the series. I understand he is supposed to play a veteran cop who had some involvement in a police corruption scandal. I wonder if any of that will be tied to Quinn? If you remember, last season Quinn was caught by Dexter stealing money at the crime scene. Do you find this valuable? |
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BloodSpray |
5. RE: Thoughts on PRACTICALLY PERFECT
Oct 10 2010, 11:50 AM EDT
"I think Peter Weller is a good addition to the series. I undestand he is supposed to play a veteran cop who had some involvement in a police corruption scandal. I wonder if any of that will be tied to Quinn? If you remember, last season Quinn was caught by Dexter stealing money at the crime scene."I believe you are correct. They showed the preview last week or the week before of Quinn's "friend" asking what kind of name Dexter Morgan was. That was our a preview of our RoboCop pal! And yeah, he's definitely a good addition to the cast. He seems to be able to play a fine line between moral and vengeance, which seems to play directly into this season. I can't wait to see him and Dexter play Cat & Mouse! Do you find this valuable? |
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6. RE: Thoughts on PRACTICALLY PERFECT
Oct 10 2010, 3:30 PM EDT
"Julie Stiles sees Dexter kill. "Why do you think that? Do you find this valuable? |
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ZizzyB23 |
7. RE: Thoughts on PRACTICALLY PERFECT
Oct 10 2010, 10:47 PM EDT
Alright. So the episode has been seen. What does everyone think? I liked it. This season of Dexter is undoubtedly different from every other season, but this episode feels to me as though things are just finally getting back to regular Dexter mode.First thought- Julia Stile's character looks like a chimpanzee. What a wild woman! Also, perhaps I'm some sort of psycho myself, but I actually found myself feeling sorry for Boyd Fowler as he was getting killed. I know it sounds crazy, but Sean Hatosy did such a fantastic job playing such a small character. I felt bad for him as Dexter was killing him. I think I have a crush on Dexter's nanny. I hope she sticks around (although the preview clip for next week's episode is trying to make me think she isn't). I guess this is the product of having a series on for five years, but I'm starting to get a little peeved a repeat stories and motifs. Oh gee, Batista's in another IA investigation (last one was season two). Hmmm, Deb's working a case where anyone who cooperates with her ends up dying an excruciating death (last time was season three). None of these are big issues I suppose, I'm just thinking out loud. I'm having a hard time getting excited for the possible ramifications of Julia Stile's character catching Dexter killing because since the beginning of September, Showtime has had a clip of that floating around. So I'm not much in the speculating mood as to what is going to happen because of this. Perhaps next week will bring back that spirit in me. Do you find this valuable? |
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8. RE: Thoughts on PRACTICALLY PERFECT
Oct 11 2010, 2:49 AM EDT
I was glad Boyd got killed (sorry to repeat from another post, but in the spirit of using a single thread for this episode...). It seemed like the writers were trying to hard to give the character some personality in such a short time frame. I'm glad he isn't Miguel, part 2.I agree that there are some repeated stories, but I think it keeps the characters true to who they are. Angel is a noble guy that gets caught up in situations. Deb is a detective and investigates murders. I guess I expect certain aspects to have a fluent consistency within the series. I really don't like the new girl working with Deb though. I can't tell if its the writing or her acting, but she's way too much like season 1 Debra Morgan, and the writers are really pushing that comparison with no subtleties. I would like to see this season go in a completely random direction. The show is great and still my favorite, but its like we know its going to be rather straight forward and based on something we can probably predict. When Dex thought Harrison was missing, I thought\hoped the whole season was about to take _that_ turn -- the perfect nanny kidnapping his infant son. BOOM. Unseen plot twist. This sounded like a negative review, but I loved the episode for what it was - #3 of 12. Do you find this valuable? |
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9. RE: Thoughts on PRACTICALLY PERFECT
Oct 11 2010, 3:26 AM EDT
I liked the episode as well. It's still slow like 1 and 2, but I'm thinking that due to the different show runners, this season will have a different pace and energy about it...Ah well...I do believe the nanny is on for a while if not the whole season...I'm very curious about the julia stiles character. is dexter going to half to hold her hostage forever so she never tells a soul what she saw?? what do you all think of the plot line?? Do you find this valuable? |
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ZizzyB23 |
10. RE: Thoughts on PRACTICALLY PERFECT
Oct 11 2010, 3:46 AM EDT
"I'm very curious about the julia stiles character. is dexter going to half to hold her hostage forever so she never tells a soul what she saw?? what do you all think of the plot line??"I don't know. Good question. If he did that, then that would make her very much like Doakes. I don't think that would happen though. Honestly, with this many guest stars, I'd say it is impossible for any of us to accurately guess what will become of this season! My gut reaction says that he isn't going to keep her captive, but then I don't know what they'd do with her running around free then. I have two more thoughts: One: Wouldn't it have made sense for Dexter to ambush Boyd Fowler in his house all along? I mean, say he did kill him out in the middle of nowhere. Wouldn't his supervisors know where he was the last time he was heard from? Wouldn't they check there? It seems to me that doing it in his house would have eliminated a lot of unnecessary moves from Dexter's life. Also, I believe those motivational tapes Fowler was listening to are going to have a larger impact than may be apparent. This was the second time in two episodes where they were highlighted specifically. These mean something. Do you find this valuable? |
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11. RE: Thoughts on PRACTICALLY PERFECT
Oct 11 2010, 6:55 AM EDT
Still disappointed although I didn't see the Boyd Fowler reverse thing coming. Also found him sympathetic in a juvenile sort of way. What I think the problem is underlying all this is there are really no character arc, lots happens but no one has really changed. Angel/Laguerta, Deb, the same and that's why the stories are starting to feel repetitive. Dexter had started to change but now, who is he? He is reacting. That's the only change.
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condev |
12. RE: Thoughts on PRACTICALLY PERFECT
Oct 11 2010, 8:42 AM EDT
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"I agree this episode was better than the first two. Hatosy was great in the role of Boyd Fowler. I don't think Dexter will keep Julia Stiles captive for long. Since she saw him killing the man who held her prisioner in his house, I think she will be grateful to Dex for saving her, and help him. J.S. looked dirty and unkept like a homeless woman, but I think that is due to Fowler keeping her prisioner at his house before killing her. I assume that is the only reason she saw Dex kill him, is because she was there for some reason. Fowler's house was not the first place Dex expected to kill him, so he did not prepare the kill room. I liked the unexpected fu**up, it added a twist to Boyd Fowler's ultimate demise. Due to the unexpected fu**up in his original plan, Dex had to come up with a plan B at the last minute. Fowler had the freedom with his job to come and go from his house at any time. Dex did not first choose to kill Fowler at his house because Fowler's actions were unpredictable, and Dex needs some privacy for awhile to prepare the kill room. I agree those motivational tapes must have more significance than just Boyd Fowler. Dexter may use the tapes to give him motivation. If you remember, Dex said several times now that he does not have the same focus and satisfaction for a kill that he did before Rita's death. He needs something to rejuvenate him! Maria Doyle Kennedy is perfect for the role of the nanny. I hope she will be around for awhile. Do you find this valuable? |
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BloodSpray |
13. RE: Thoughts on PRACTICALLY PERFECT
Oct 11 2010, 8:54 AM EDT
"Why do you think that? "Because he knew the spoiler and didn't post [SPOILER ALERT], which is why I didn't respond to it. It would've been nice if he had. Do you find this valuable? |
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condev |
14. RE: Thoughts on PRACTICALLY PERFECT
Oct 11 2010, 8:57 AM EDT
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"Alright. So the episode has been seen. What does everyone think? I liked it. This season of Dexter is undoubtedly different from every other season, but this episode feels to me as though things are just finally getting back to regular Dexter mode.Zizzy, I agree, Hatosy played that part so well that he made a horrific killer seem sympathetic. Does anyone wonder where Dexter gets the pictures of the victims to hang up in the kill room for the killer to see before he dies? Because Dexter knows he was caught in the act, does he have time to chop up the body and dispose of it at sea without being detected? Maybe that is how Julia helps him. Do you find this valuable? |
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BloodSpray |
15. RE: Thoughts on PRACTICALLY PERFECT
Oct 11 2010, 9:04 AM EDT
As far as other peoples' responses, Zizzy - I can't say I felt sympathetic for Boyd, but he did what he did well and pulled all the right emotional cards for the viewers. I was glad to see him go (the end of Episode 2 just screamed that he had to die). And as far as Julia Stiles' character - there is no Astor and Cody right now, so time for a thought... maybe her character will be a part of Dexter's redemption. Instead of killing, he had to save her... which is going to make for some strange psychological twists later, I believe.Educated guess: we know she gets free at some point... I don't think she turns Dexter in. I think she attempts to turn Boyd in, but as Boyd is dead (and Dexter *will* clean that up), the cops will think she's nuts, which will lead her (possibly on her own) finding Dexter and figuring out what is going on. There's a lot to read on victim psychology, and I think that's where this one is going. PLZ - yeah, same here on Boyd. He was a good bad guy, but he had to go. He was pretty sadistic... I don't think I would've pegged him as a Miguel clone, though - Miguel thought he was being honorable with what he was doing. I think Boyd knew what he was doing wasn't honorable. The repeat stories are going to happen... it happens almost every season, really, and it identifies the characters further. I'm glad to see Angel in the limelight again... it'll be interesting to see where that one goes, and it shifts the focus from the godforsaken marriage. Also, anyone notice Matthews is nowhere to be seen? He should be gloating right about now... The nanny will probably have her own plot-line... there's a possibility (theory again) that she could be a killer... one of those "Angel of Death" type killers that target children... Dexter likes children, especially his own, so that could open a whole new can of worms. Do you find this valuable? |
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BloodSpray |
16. RE: Thoughts on PRACTICALLY PERFECT
Oct 11 2010, 9:10 AM EDT
Mandy - I believe she gets loose in the next episode or two... Peter Weller's character will be in this soon, so maybe there's a clash of interests here. From the previews, I'd almost bet it happens next week. I'm not going to post spoilers here, but from the pictures I've seen, she won't be captive long... there seems to be a story here beyond that.As far as all those who are saying the tapes will play a part... I don't think they will, but I've been proven wrong before. I believe the tapes were there so Dexter would have something to say to Boyd (watch the episode again). I doubt a Tony Robbins-type is going to help Dexter much... Blk - I really liked the Boyd turn-around and the cat and mouse we got for 15 minutes... it kinda reminded me of the Trinity game Dexter played, albeit with a lesser bad guy to play it. I think a lot of people are going to get a lot of different feelings off of Boyd - that's the true mark of what a good actor can do. Do you find this valuable? |
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17. RE: Thoughts on PRACTICALLY PERFECT
Oct 11 2010, 9:48 AM EDT
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"As far as other peoples' responses, Zizzy - I can't say I felt sympathetic for Boyd, but he did what he did well and pulled all the right emotional cards for the viewers. I was glad to see him go (the end of Episode 2 just screamed that he had to die). And as far as Julia Stiles' character - there is no Astor and Cody right now, so time for a thought... maybe her character will be a part of Dexter's redemption. Instead of killing, he had to save her... which is going to make for some strange psychological twists later, I believe.BloodSpray, I have seen Matthews in another series on HBO, so I guess he is written out of the script. Do you find this valuable? |
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18. RE: Thoughts on PRACTICALLY PERFECT
Oct 11 2010, 11:01 AM EDT
SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T SEEN THE EPISODE YET! Well it's a good thing he got rid of Boyd. I think that he was one of the most sadistic targets Dex has had. He had quite a body count. Awesome acting By S.H btw. Although half way through the episode i kind of saw the appearance of Julia coming I really like this development now. And I don't think that we will have another Doakes situation on our hands. Julia will probably escape and Dexter will have to look for her in the next episodes. Quinn's shady past will be probably revealed soon which is about time as for Sonia well that's an accident waiting to happen. What I really like is that this is only the beginning so much more will happen. And I have faith in the writers.The thing that I enjoy in "Dexter" are the moments he has with the other killers when they are on his table. Their surprise to be they prey and not the predator the fear that they have and then the realisation that they are not walking away from this one. You can basically see who those people really are no more masks and deception. All about the killers before that is just foreplay. Do you find this valuable? |
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19. RE: Thoughts on PRACTICALLY PERFECT
Oct 11 2010, 11:48 AM EDT
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This episode was much better than the previous two. It was satisfying to see Dexter address the loss of Rita more. I also like that he is unable to be fulfilled by killing right now. It's his own way of expressing that her death makes everything feel pointless.I've always wondered what it would be like if an innocent person were to discover Dexter's secret. I'm glad to see them go forward with that but I would hate for it to be romantic. So here's hoping that it won't be. It certainly doesn't need to be. It's interesting enough to face Dexter with a dilemma like this. *Speculation*: I think Dexter will decide that being caught is less important than innocent life. He will set Julia free and take his chances. Knowing his luck, she will not tell on him. It's anticlimactic but I can't imagine Dexter killing an innocent person in cold blood. It would be dumb. He doesn't have much to lose. He loves Harrison but nothing would be worth killing an innocent person over.This will be what he perceives as "atonement" because he will be putting an innocent life over his selfish hobbies. Something he could not do for Rita. I still don't think it makes up for anything. It certainly doesn't fix what happened to his own wife... and it won't make anything better for his children. But it's something. I miss Rita!! ;-) We can't bring Rita back, sadly. So my ideal episode under the circumstances would be interesting plot while still keeping Rita's memory around. This episode did well with that. I give it a B+! Do you find this valuable? |